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Question VI: Whether faith is concerned with those things which are seen by vision in this life
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The TRUE opinion is negative. So D. Bonaventure, whom all Scotists and Thomists commonly follow. And among the more recent, Card. de Lugo disp. 2. sect. 2. Turrian. disp. 8. dub. 5. Pasqualigo disp. 33. sect. 1.
VERA sententia est negativa. Ita D. Bonav. quem sequuntur omnes Scotistae, et Thomistae communiter. Et ex recentioribus Card. de Lugo disp. 2. sect. 2. Turrian. disp. 8. dub. 5. Pasqualigo disp. 33. sect. 1.
The OPPOSITE, however, is held by Valentia p. 4. col. 62. where he says Bonaventure denies it without cause; Tanner. quaest. 1. disp. 6. Morand. quaest. 3. and very many others collected by Mastrius disp. 6. quaest. 4. art. 2.
OPPOSITUM tamen tenent Valentia p. 4. col. 62. ubi ait, sine causa Bonaventuram id negare; Tanner. quaest. 1. disp. 6. Morand. quaest. 3. et alii plurimi apud Mastrium disp. 6. quaest. 4. art. 2.
I ASSERT with D. Bonaventure that FAITH cannot be had concerning things that are clearly seen here.
ASSERO cum D. Bonav. non posse haberi Fidem de rebus, quae videntur hic clare.
It is proved first from S. Thomas, from D. Aug. on 14. Ioan. on these words: I go to prepare a place for you. Go away lest it appear; let it be hidden that it may be believed, and tract. 40. in Ioan. Faith is to believe what you do not see. And lib. 2. qq. Euang. cap. 39. Faith is the virtue by which things are believed that are not seen.
Probatur primo a S. Doct. ex PP. D. Aug. ad 14. Ioan. ad ea verba: Vado parare vobis locum. Eat ne videatur; lateat ut credatur, et tract. 40. in Ioan. Fides est credere, quod non vides. Et lib. 2. qq. Euang. cap. 39. Fides est virtus, qua creduntur, quae non videntur.
From D. Gregory homil. 36. in Euang. Things that are seen do not have faith, but recognition. And Chrysost. homil. 21. ad Hebr. says: He wishes to destroy faith, those who want to see the things believed. The Saints commonly think the same, as S. Thomas relates quaest. 3. in corpore.
Ex D. Gregorio homil. 36. in Euang. Quae videntur, fidem non habent, sed agnitionem. Et Chrysost. homil. 21. ad Hebr. ait: Eos perdere velle fidem, qui credita volunt videre. Idem sentiunt communiter Sancti, ut refert S. Doct. quaest. 3. in corpore.
It is proved secondly from S. Thomas. Faith will be evacuated in the fatherland, as is gathered from prima Corinth. 13. but bodily vision manifests the Humanity of Christ just as spiritual vision in the fatherland manifests the Deity: Therefore just as faith of the Divinity cannot be about things seen in the fatherland, so neither can faith of the humanity be in the way about a thing seen. Hence they deny the parity gratuitously, as Mastrius notes n. 110. who used this argument.
Probatur secundo a S. Doct. Fides in patria evacuabitur, ut colligitur ex prima Corinth. 13. sed visio corporalis ita manifestat Christi Humanitatem, sicut visio spiritualis in patria Deitatem: Ergo sicut fides Divinitatis non potest esse circa visa in patria, ita nec fides humanitatis in via visae. Hinc gratis negant paritatem, ut notat Mastrius n. 110. hac ratione usus.
It is PROVED thirdly from S. Thomas. To believe is free Rom. 10. But to believe what I see is entirely necessary.
PROBATUR tertio a S. Doct. credere est liberum Rom. 10. At credere, quod video, est penitus necessarium.
It is PROVED fourthly in corpore. That which repugns the essence of faith cannot stand together with faith: But sensible vision repugns: Therefore. The minor is proved; for from the Apostle loc. cit. Faith is obscure knowledge, and now AEnigmatic: but Vision is most clear; and these are contradictory. The Scotists and Thomists use this argument.
PROBATUR quarto in corpore. Id, quod repugnat essentiae fidei, non potest stare cum fide: Sed sensibilis visio repugnat: Ergo. Minor probatur; nam ex Apostolo loc. cit. Fides est cognitio obscura, et nunc AEnigmatica: at Visio est clarissima; haec autem sunt contradictoria. Hoc argumento utuntur Scotistae, et Thomistae.
Nor does the response avail, that these are not contradictory, because they arise from different motives. For the argument resists just so much, because from the intrinsic formal side the object of FAITH must be obscure; whence, upon the arrival of vision, it no longer has anything obscure, concerning which it might render faith to the revealer; and the formal reason of the one, that is, of science, destroys the formal reason of the object of FAITH. Nor do they differ according to the perfect and the imperfect, as the adversaries think; but they differ according to their essentials, namely the positive and the privative; from which Card. de Lugo deduces disp. 2. num. 81. that, since this repugnance is formal and intrinsic, it convinces that vision and FAITH cannot stand together, even by the power of God. Vain also is the response of Valentia, that faith is of things not seen by faith itself; for, as Mastrius says num. 109. the Fathers and Scripture would have spoken ridiculously, and the sense would be to see nothing by an act of faith. Tanner. also errs num. 176. denying that these repugn.
Nec valet responsio, haec non esse contradictoria, quia ex diversis motivis. Contra enim tam resistit argumentum, quia ex intrinseco formali obiectum Fidei debet esse obscurum; unde adveniente visione non habet amplius obscurum, de quo fidem praestet revelanti; et ratio formalis unius, idest scientiae, destruit rationem formalem obiecti Fidei. Neque differunt secundum perfectum, et imperfectum, ut putant adversarii; sed differunt secundum essentialia eorum, positivum, scilicet et privativum; ex quo deducit Card. de Lugo disp. 2. num. 81. quod, cum haec repugnantia sit formalis intrinseca, convincit, non posse, etiam per Dei potentiam, stare visionem, et Fidem. Inanis etiam est responsio Valentiae, fidem esse de non visis per fidem ipsam; nam, ut ait Mastrius num. 109. ridicule locuti essent Patres, et Scripturae, et sensus esset nullum videre per actum fidei. Fallitur et Tanner. num. 176. negans, haec repugnare.
You OBJECT first that Ioan. 20. it is said: Because you have seen me, Thomas, you have believed; therefore concerning this he had faith and vision.
OBIICIES primo Ioan. 20. dicitur: Quia vidisti me Thoma, credidisti; ergo de hoc habuit fidem, et visionem.
D. Bonav. and Scotus RESPOND from D. Gregory homil. 26. in Euang. that: Thomas saw one thing, and believed another; He saw a man, and believed God. The same is the response of D. August. tract. 79. in Ioannem.
RESPONDENT D. Bonav. et Scotus ex D. Gregorio homil. 26. in Euang. quod: Thomas aliud vidit, et aliud credidit; Vidit hominem, et Deum credidit. Eadem est responsio D. August. tract. 79. in Ioannem.
Arriaga INSTANCES that this exposition is not consonant with the text. First, because Christ did not speak equivocally, but of the same thing about which he said: You have seen, he also said you have believed. Then, if he believed what he did not see: Therefore he did not have less merit than the others, who, not seeing, believed, whom nevertheless Christ there prefers to Thomas. Thirdly, because there Thomas believed nothing about the Deity, but about the Resurrection, about which he doubted, which nevertheless he saw no less than I see Peter present; and yet you deny that vision can stand together with faith.
INSTAT Arriaga, hanc expositionem non esse textui consonam. Primo, quia Christus non est locutus aequivoce, sed de eodem, de quo dixit: Vidisti, dixit et credidisti. Deinde, si quod non vidit, credidit: Ergo non habuit minus meritum, quam alii, qui, non videntes, crediderunt, quos tamen ibi Christus praefert Thomae. Tertio, quia ibi Thomas nil credidit de Divinitate, sed de Resurrectione, de qua dubitabat, quam tamen videbat non minus, quam ego video Petrum praesentem; et tamen vos negatis, visionem cum fide stare.
For in truth these things are frivolous against the exposition of the Fathers; Nor indeed did Christ speak equivocally, but with a mystery, so that the sense is: Because you have seen me raised from the dead, you have believed God, since a mere man cannot raise himself. Now just as you heard me: I have power to lay down my life, and to take it again, so now you have seen, and therefore you believe God. See S. Bonaventure in the sermon on S. Thomas.
ENIM vero frivola haec sunt contra Patrum expositionem; Neque vero Christus aequivoce locutus est, sed cum mysterio, ut sensus sit: Quia vidisti me a mortuis suscitatum, credidisti Deum, cum purus homo non valeat seipsum suscitare. Iam sicuti me audisti: Potestatem habeo ponendi animam meam, et iterum sumendi eam, ita nunc vidisti, et ideo credis Deum. Vide S. Bonaventuram sermone de S. Thoma.
From this the second objection falls: For the sense is, that there is more merit in those who neither saw me raised, and believed, without this miracle, that I am God.
Ex quo ruit secunda oppositio: Sensus enim est, plus meriti esse eorum, qui, nec me viderunt suscitatum, et crediderunt, absque miraculo hoc, me esse Deum.
To the third I say, that Thomas confessed: My Lord, and my God. For he doubted about the Deity while he saw him dead; nor did he believe until he saw him raised.
AD tertium dico, Thomam confessum: Dominus meus, et Deus meus. De divinitate enim dubitavit, dum mortuum vidit; neque credidit, donec vidit suscitatum.
You OBJECT secondly from Prima Ioan. first: What we have seen, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; But the Apostles also had faith concerning the same Christ.
OBIICIES secundo Prima Ioan. primo: Quod vidimus, et manus nostrae contrectaverunt de Verbo vitae; At Apostoli habebant de eodem Christo etiam fidem.
D. Bonav. RESPONDS that the Apostles had faith concerning the mysteries seen; for although they saw the man die; nevertheless they believed him God. And so they had faith concerning This person, as he is God. Mastrius num. 133. prefers this exposition, Scotistically.
RESPONDET D. Bonav. Apostolos habuisse fidem de mysteriis visis; nam tametsi viderent hominem mori; credebant tamen illum Deum. Itaque habuere fidem de Hac persona, ut est Deus. Hanc expositionem Mastrius num. 133. praefert Scotice.
You OBJECT thirdly. The Blessed Virgin knew by sensible experience that she had conceived of the Holy Spirit, and nevertheless believed; Therefore Elisabeth says: Blessed are you, who have believed, etc.
OBIICIES tertio. B. Virgo sensibili experimento novit, se concepisse de Spiritu Sancto, et tamen credidit; Ideo Elisabeth ait: Beata, quae credidisti, etc.
S. Bonav. RESPONDS that the Blessed Virgin perceived that she had conceived without a man; nevertheless she did not perceive that she had conceived the Son of God. Thus Mastrius also responds.
RESPONDET S. Bonav. Beatam Virginem sensisse, se concepisse sine viro; attamen non sensisse, se concepisse filium Dei. Sic respondet et Mastrius.
You OBJECT fourthly. It would follow that the learned are of worse condition, and those who saw, as the Apostles.
OBIICIES quarto. Sequeretur, peioris conditionis esse doctos, et qui viderunt, ut Apostolos.
It is RESPONDED with D. Bonav. that those who saw believed something else.
RESPONDETUR cum D. Bonav. eos, qui viderunt, aliquid aliud credidisse.
MASTRIUS responds from D. Bonav. quaest. 3. denying the sequel, as to the wise, who have science concerning the same thing, because they did not know perfectly through the sciences that God is, and that he is one, or that he is infinite simply speaking, to be in three persons, whence they lacked the light of faith, without which the Philosophers erred. He says this response is conformable to the doctrine of Scotus; whence it is clear how even the learned exercise supernatural acts of faith.
MASTRIUS respondet ex D. Bonav. quaest. 3. negando sequelam, quoad sapientes, qui de eodem habent scientiam, quia illi non cognovere perfecte per scientias, Deum esse, esseque unum, aut infinitum simpliciter esse in tribus personis, unde eguere lumine fidei, sine quo Philosophi errarunt. Hoc responsum ait, esse conforme doctrinae Scoti; unde patet, quomodo et docti actus supernaturales fidei exerceant.
For in truth he does not remember that he said in the first assertion num. 108. that acts of faith and of science cannot be simultaneously about the same conclusion in the same intellect. Wherefore he abuses the doctrine of S. Bonaventure.
ENIM vero non recordatur, se dixisse in primo asserto num. 108. non posse actus fidei, et scientiae simul esse de eadem conclusione in eodem intellectu. Quare abutitur doctrina S. Bonaventurae.
MOST FIRMLY therefore has our assertion been proved. It is confirmed by the principal argument of S. Bonav. in corpore, which Suarez uses disp. 3 sect. 9. Coninch. disp. 11. dub. 1. Lugo disp. 2. sect. 2. Vasquez disp. 53. et 62. Mastrius num. 115. where he teaches it to be a firm argument; for clear vision so ravishes assent, that not only is place denied to the liberty necessary for faith; but neither does the motive of assent remain; thus, while I see the Sun, however much someone may say to me that it is day, even if he were an Angel; I do not believe from authority, but because I see. Coninch. and Suarez render the reason; because, since the intellect has been actualized by the most perfect formal assent, no place is left for assenting by another form.
FERMISSIME igitur probata est nostra assertio. Confirmatur argumento S. Bonav. principali in corpore, quo utuntur Suarez disp. 3 sect. 9. Coninch. disp. 11. dub. 1. Lugo disp. 2. sect. 2. Vasquez disp. 53. et 62. Mastrius num. 115. ubi docet esse firmam rationem; nam visio clara ita rapit assensum, ut non modo libertati ad fidem necessariae negetur locus; sed neque remaneat motivum assensus; sic, dum video Solem, quantumvis aliquis dicat mihi, diem esse, etiamsi is esset Angelus; non credo ex authoritate, sed quia video. Rationem reddunt Coninch. et Suarez; quia cum actuatus sit intellectus formali assensu perfectissimo, non relinquitur alteri formae assentiendi locus.
BUT they argue against this: for the Blessed have intuitive cognition of creatures, and nevertheless can also have abstractive. The same, the Theologians say, of the most holy Soul of Christ.
SED contra arguunt: nam Beati habent cognitionem intuitivam creaturarum, et tamen possunt habere etiam abstractivam. Idem de anima Christi sanctissima aiunt Theologi.
Mastrius RESPONDS from Scotus ad 3. that the reason is, because the medium of faith is impeded by the medium of vision, so that it may not move, and is rendered insufficient to move in its presence: for the medium of faith has no power to move, except when the intellect needs it, and because it does not otherwise have the truth. Lugo responds the same.
RESPONDET Mastrius e Scoto ad 3. rationem esse, quia medium fidei, a medio visionis impeditur, ne moveat, redditurque insufficiens ad movendum in praesentia eius: medium enim fidei non habet virtutem ad movendum, nisi quando indiget intellectus illo, ed quod aliunde veritatem non habeat. Idem respondet Lugo.
BUT the same difficulty is incurred which they opposed to Suarez, because the clear vision of creatures in God suffers its abstractive [cognition].
SED eadem difficultas incurritur, quam Suarezio opposuerunt, quia visio clara creaturarum in Deo suum patitur abstractivum.
The REASON therefore is that which S. Thomas brings in corpore, because they are intrinsically opposed formally, whence, with the object clearly seen, it implies that faith is busied about that thing in vain, because it is intrinsically enigmatic, or at least obscure, and the obscure requires an obscure object.
RATIO igitur est, quam affert S. Doct. in corpore, quia intrinsece opponuntur formaliter, unde obiecto clare viso, implicat versari fidem circa illud, quia intrinsece est aenigmatica, vel saltem obscura, et obscurum exigit obiectum.